From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Fri Oct 25 02:07:20 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:09 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200210250707.g9P77KF07376@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Friday October 25, 2002 @ 2:07 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv7373 Modified Files: README.developers Log Message: edits by Zach the AI **************************************** Index: Vanilla/README.developers diff -u Vanilla/README.developers:1.3 Vanilla/README.developers:1.4 --- Vanilla/README.developers:1.3 Thu Oct 10 01:36:05 2002 +++ Vanilla/README.developers Fri Oct 25 02:07:20 2002 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ -$Id: README.developers,v 1.3 2002/10/10 06:36:05 cameron Exp $ +$Id: README.developers,v 1.4 2002/10/25 07:07:20 cameron Exp $ README for developers @@ -27,20 +27,11 @@ Source comments are for the next person trying to understand the code. -Source Editing Hints - # hints on using GNU Emacs - bind "meta-x compile" to a key - use "control-x `" to move to next error in compilation results window - use "control-x v v" to commit one file if required - use "control-x 4 a" while positioned in changed source to fix ChangeLog - use "control-x v =" to produce a diff on that file vs CVS - use "etags *.c *.h" to build a tag list of variable names - use "meta-." to find a definition of a variable or function - New Developer Familiarisation Documentation by Jeffrey Nowakowski, 27th March 2000 with edits by James Cameron, 10th October 2002 +with edits by Zachary Uram, 25th October 2002 Server Processes @@ -48,27 +39,26 @@ (aka newstartd) Listens for incoming clients that want to connect to the server. Reads the .ports file which tells it - what programs to run when a client connects. Normally, forks - an ntserv process for each client, but handles other things + what programs to run when a client connects. Normally, it forks + an ntserv process for each client, but it also handles other things such as the player list for the metaserver. ntserv - Communicates with the client. Will start daemon if shared - memory doesn't exist. Each player has their own ntserv - process. + Communicates with the client. It will start as a daemon process + if shared memory doesn't exist, or if there are no free shared memory segments.. Each player has their own associated ntserv process. daemon - Maintains the game state. Will start robots like hockey if - .sysdef option is set. Sends data to metaserver if the - .metaservers file is configured. + This process maintains the game state. It can start robots such as hockey if + .sysdef option is set. It sends data to the metaserver if the + .metaservers file is configured properly. Shared Memory Contains the game state. This is updated by both ntserv and the daemon. It isn't touched by newstartd, all queueing is handled by - ntserv. Use 'ipcs' command to see it on the operating system. + ntserv. Use 'ipcs' command to see if the shared memory segment is present in the operating system. Globals From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 04:01:00 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200210090901.g99910n30116@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 9, 2002 @ 4:01 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv30113 Modified Files: ChangeLog Log Message: fix for dropped digit on timeprod **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ChangeLog diff -u Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.133 Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.134 --- Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.133 Wed Aug 14 23:48:16 2002 +++ Vanilla/ChangeLog Wed Oct 9 04:01:00 2002 @@ -1,3 +1,8 @@ +Wed Oct 9 15:24:20 2002 James Cameron + + * tools/newscores.c: remove width limits on parsing the status + line. + Thu Aug 15 12:29:14 2002 James Cameron * ntserv/ntscmds.c (do_password): actually change the password. @@ -1385,4 +1390,4 @@ update_sys_defaults in updateMessages to a more appropriate location - updateClient in socket.c. - $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.133 2002/08/15 04:48:16 cameron Exp $ + $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.134 2002/10/09 09:01:00 cameron Exp $ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 04:01:01 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/tools Message-ID: <200210090901.g99911G30123@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 9, 2002 @ 4:01 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/tools In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv30113/tools Modified Files: newscores.c Log Message: fix for dropped digit on timeprod **************************************** Index: Vanilla/tools/newscores.c diff -u Vanilla/tools/newscores.c:1.4 Vanilla/tools/newscores.c:1.5 --- Vanilla/tools/newscores.c:1.4 Fri Apr 30 15:19:12 1999 +++ Vanilla/tools/newscores.c Wed Oct 9 04:01:00 2002 @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ getpath(); printf("Warning: If you do not know how to use this program, break it now!\n"); status=(struct status *) malloc(sizeof(struct status)); - scanf("%10ld %10d %10d %10d %10d %10lf\n", + scanf("%ld %d %d %d %d %lf\n", &status->time, &status->planets, &status->armsbomb, From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 04:22:32 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] hosed vanilla server In-Reply-To: <200209231348.g8NDmRL29168@roadkill.com> References: <200209231348.g8NDmRL29168@roadkill.com> Message-ID: <20021009092232.GU5811@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:48:27AM -0500, Andy Burnett wrote: > I came in this morning to find my vanilla (2.9pl7) server in a very > strange state. Clients can connect, however after that they just seem to > "hang" - never drawing the galactic, and having bogus numbers for stats > (107 ETemp, for example). No matter what I do to the server, nothing > seems to reset it - killing and restarting the daemon, running > tools/setgalaxy, etc. Nothing has changed in the . config files since I > initally set up the server, so I don't know what could have caused this. > Is there a way to "reset" the server without rebooting the machine? Kill each of the ntserv processes. One minute later the daemon will exit. Never kill -9, or a memory segment will be left around. Depending on your operating system, 'ipcs' may show you a shared memory segment to be deleted with 'iprm'. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 21:13:34 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200210100213.g9A2DYQ30550@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Wednesday October 9, 2002 @ 21:13 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv30547 Modified Files: README Log Message: spelling fix **************************************** Index: Vanilla/README diff -u Vanilla/README:1.12 Vanilla/README:1.13 --- Vanilla/README:1.12 Tue May 16 01:19:04 2000 +++ Vanilla/README Wed Oct 9 21:13:33 2002 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ If you are interested in just the Vanilla Teams announcements you can subscribe to the announcement mailing list. -To subscrube, send an empty message to "vanilla-announce-subscribe@us.netrek.org". +To subscribe, send an empty message to "vanilla-announce-subscribe@us.netrek.org". 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Archives of the vanilla-list are available at From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 10 01:36:05 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200210100636.g9A6a5S30625@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Thursday October 10, 2002 @ 1:36 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv30622 Modified Files: README.developers Log Message: add Jeffno's documentation **************************************** Index: Vanilla/README.developers diff -u Vanilla/README.developers:1.2 Vanilla/README.developers:1.3 --- Vanilla/README.developers:1.2 Fri Jun 21 01:11:30 2002 +++ Vanilla/README.developers Thu Oct 10 01:36:05 2002 @@ -1,11 +1,32 @@ -$Id: README.developers,v 1.2 2002/06/21 06:11:30 cameron Exp $ +$Id: README.developers,v 1.3 2002/10/10 06:36:05 cameron Exp $ README for developers Refer to BUGS for a list of defects Refer to PROJECTS for a list of future changes +Commenting Policy + + Commit messages, ChangeLog, and source comments are for + different audiences. + + Commit messages are for storage in CVS and distribution to the + mailing list. They are used for code review by the other + developers. Once generated in CVS, nobody reads them unless + they have to review a change again. This is where you would + put design discussion. + + ChangeLog goes to the end user of the code, the server admins, + and to the release engineer who uses it to form a short list + of new features and changes for the web page. This would + often be briefer than the CVS commit message, but remember it + is included in the code review process anyway, so there is a + bit of overlap. ChangeLog is CVS controlled. + + Source comments are for the next person trying to understand + the code. + Source Editing Hints # hints on using GNU Emacs @@ -17,21 +38,123 @@ use "etags *.c *.h" to build a tag list of variable names use "meta-." to find a definition of a variable or function +New Developer Familiarisation Documentation +by Jeffrey Nowakowski, 27th March 2000 +with edits by James Cameron, 10th October 2002 + +Server Processes + + netrekd + + (aka newstartd) Listens for incoming clients that want to + connect to the server. Reads the .ports file which tells it + what programs to run when a client connects. Normally, forks + an ntserv process for each client, but handles other things + such as the player list for the metaserver. + + ntserv + + Communicates with the client. Will start daemon if shared + memory doesn't exist. Each player has their own ntserv + process. + + daemon + + Maintains the game state. Will start robots like hockey if + .sysdef option is set. Sends data to metaserver if the + .metaservers file is configured. + +Shared Memory + + Contains the game state. This is updated by both ntserv and the + daemon. It isn't touched by newstartd, all queueing is handled by + ntserv. Use 'ipcs' command to see it on the operating system. + +Globals + + data.c/h: Holds global data. Lotsa crap. These are variables + shared within a program, not between processes. + +Queues + + Implemented using struct queue, managed by queue.c + +Robots + + Started through .sysdef when the server starts, through a player + vote, practice request, or out-of-t take. Either daemon or ntserv + will start them. + + If through .sysdef, the daemon forks the robot when daemon is + started. + + If through a vote, the robot is forked at the time of the vote. + + Both the daemon and the robot run at the same time. The daemon + handles the general game engine (moving players, firing weapons, + etc). The robot then handles extra things like keeping track of + the game clock, or modifies the behavior of the game by messing + with the shared memory (like in hockey). + +Configuring the server + + Game speed, useful to change for testing + + UPDATE in .sysdef + REALITY in .sysdef + + .sysdef + + Read on server startup. readsysdefaults() in + ntserv/daemonII.c, ntserv/main.c + + .features + + config.h.in + + #defines + + ntserv/defs.h + + #defines + + keycomp/defs.h + + Same as ntserv/defs.h, but SURREND=5 instead of 4? Should be + link to ntserv instead? What is kecomp/ used for? + + getship.c + + Contains ship stats. How does SHIP in .sysdefs affect? + +Messages + + see also command_questions.txt [?? - james] + + messages are handled by ntserv. daemon doesn't touch them. + robots need to handle messages to check commands (using + gencmds.c). + + socket.c, parseIgnore(): takes care of :D (ignore doosh mess), :M + (ignore multi-line macro, pig call (5 spaces sent to yerself), and + :[ita] messages (ignore player). + + +Sample Scenario -Commit messages, ChangeLog, and source comments are for different -audiences. + Short packets? + TCP/IP + UDP -Commit messages are for storage in CVS and distribution to the mailing -list. They are used for code review by the other developers. Once -generated in CVS, nobody reads them unless they have to review a change -again. This is where you would put design discussion. - -ChangeLog goes to the end user of the code, the server admins, and to -the release engineer who uses it to form a short list of new features -and changes for the web page. This would often be briefer than the CVS -commit message, but remember it is included in the code review process -anyway, so there is a bit of overlap. ChangeLog is CVS controlled. + Player A shoots a torp: Packet arrives, handled by ntserv, which + allocates a torp struct entry, daemon moves torp coordinates at + game reality update rate, ntserv's deliver torp update packets to + all players who can 'see' the torp. -Source comments are for the next person trying to understand the code. +Debugging/Error Messages + ERRORS (why no date?), stdout/err for different processes. ERRORS + not usable in all processes? ERROR() doesn't seem to work in + robots (puck, basep, etc); perror() does though. +-- From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 10 20:24:45 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla Message-ID: <200210110124.g9B1Oj031134@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Thursday October 10, 2002 @ 20:24 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31131 Modified Files: ChangeLog Log Message: fix dock permissions logic **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ChangeLog diff -u Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.134 Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.135 --- Vanilla/ChangeLog:1.134 Wed Oct 9 04:01:00 2002 +++ Vanilla/ChangeLog Thu Oct 10 20:24:45 2002 @@ -1,3 +1,19 @@ +Fri Oct 11 11:20:22 2002 James Cameron + + * ntserv/ntscmds.c (do_nodock): removed restriction that prevented + a base from turning off docking for an at-peace enemy. + +Fri Oct 11 10:44:35 2002 James Cameron + + * ntserv/main.c, ntserv/enter.c: fix 'dock' and 'transwarp' + functionality defects reported by David Swasey. Move + initialisation of candock to login time rather than ship entry + (fixes loss of dock permissions for a ship when it dies). On + entry to game by a starbase, only set the team's permission to + dock, rather than the enemy team as well. Move initialisation of + voting array and transwarp from main() to enter() so that all ship + entry initialisations are in one place. + Wed Oct 9 15:24:20 2002 James Cameron * tools/newscores.c: remove width limits on parsing the status @@ -1390,4 +1406,4 @@ update_sys_defaults in updateMessages to a more appropriate location - updateClient in socket.c. - $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.134 2002/10/09 09:01:00 cameron Exp $ + $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.135 2002/10/11 01:24:45 cameron Exp $ From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 10 20:24:46 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv Message-ID: <200210110124.g9B1OkJ31139@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Thursday October 10, 2002 @ 20:24 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31131/ntserv Modified Files: main.c enter.c ntscmds.c Log Message: fix dock permissions logic **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ntserv/main.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/main.c:1.24 Vanilla/ntserv/main.c:1.25 --- Vanilla/ntserv/main.c:1.24 Fri Jun 21 02:41:35 2002 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/main.c Thu Oct 10 20:24:46 2002 @@ -60,7 +60,6 @@ int callHost=0; time_t starttime; int i; - register struct player *j; /* for traipsing through the playerlist */ extern void forceShutdown (); char pseudo[PSEUDOSIZE]; /* Was a global - MK 9/30/94 */ @@ -255,6 +254,7 @@ me->p_genoplanets=0; me->p_armsbomb=0; me->p_genoarmsbomb=0; + me->p_candock = 1; STRNCPY(me->p_login, login, NAME_LEN); me->p_login[NAME_LEN - 1] = '\0'; @@ -397,15 +397,6 @@ } } -#ifdef VOTING - /* reset eject voting to avoid inheriting this slot's last occupant's */ - /* escaped fate just in case the last vote comes through after the */ - /* old guy quit and the new guy joined -Villalpando req. by Cameron */ - for (i = 0, j = &players[i]; i < MAXPLAYER; i++, j++) - j->voting[me->p_no] = -1; -#endif - me->p_candock = 1; - me->p_transwarp = PFGREEN|PFYELLOW|PFRED; /* Get input until the player quits or dies */ living++; while (living) input(); Index: Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.11 Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.12 --- Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.11 Wed Oct 10 02:36:52 2001 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c Thu Oct 10 20:24:46 2002 @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ int i; /* Use local variables, not the globals */ - struct player *me = &players[pno]; + struct player *me = &players[pno], *j; struct ship *myship = &me->p_ship; #if defined (ONCHECK) && !defined(ROBOT) @@ -130,12 +130,13 @@ } me->p_updates = 0; me->p_flags = PFSHIELD|PFGREEN; - if (s_type==STARBASE) - { + if (s_type == STARBASE) { me->p_flags |= PFDOCKOK; /* allow docking by default */ for(i = 0; i < MAXPLAYER; i++) - players[i].p_candock = 1; /* give everybody permission to dock */ - } + if (players[i].p_team = me->p_team) + players[i].p_candock = 1; /* give team permission to dock */ + } + me->p_transwarp = PFGREEN|PFYELLOW|PFRED; me->p_dir = 0; me->p_desdir = 0; me->p_speed = 0; @@ -190,6 +191,14 @@ me->p_hostile &= ~me->p_team; me->p_war = me->p_hostile; } + +#ifdef VOTING + /* reset eject voting to avoid inheriting this slot's last occupant's */ + /* escaped fate just in case the last vote comes through after the */ + /* old guy quit and the new guy joined -Villalpando req. by Cameron */ + for (i = 0, j = &players[i]; i < MAXPLAYER; i++, j++) + j->voting[me->p_no] = -1; +#endif /* join message stuff */ sprintf(me->p_mapchars,"%c%c",teamlet[me->p_team], shipnos[me->p_no]); Index: Vanilla/ntserv/ntscmds.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/ntscmds.c:1.24 Vanilla/ntserv/ntscmds.c:1.25 --- Vanilla/ntserv/ntscmds.c:1.24 Wed Aug 14 23:48:17 2002 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/ntscmds.c Thu Oct 10 20:24:46 2002 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -/* $Id: ntscmds.c,v 1.24 2002/08/15 04:48:17 cameron Exp $ +/* $Id: ntscmds.c,v 1.25 2002/10/11 01:24:46 cameron Exp $ */ /* @@ -1214,12 +1214,6 @@ if (victim->p_status == PFREE) { pmessage(whofrom, MINDIV, addr, "dock: ignored, slot is free"); - return; - } - - if (p->p_team != victim->p_team) - { - pmessage(whofrom, MINDIV, addr, "dock: slot isn't on your team"); return; } From vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org Fri Oct 11 02:25:56 2002 From: vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org (Vanilla CVS Development) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:40 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv Message-ID: <200210110725.g9B7Pul31266@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Date: Friday October 11, 2002 @ 2:25 Author: cameron Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv In directory swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31263 Modified Files: enter.c Log Message: rotfl **************************************** Index: Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c diff -u Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.12 Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.13 --- Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c:1.12 Thu Oct 10 20:24:46 2002 +++ Vanilla/ntserv/enter.c Fri Oct 11 02:25:56 2002 @@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ if (s_type == STARBASE) { me->p_flags |= PFDOCKOK; /* allow docking by default */ for(i = 0; i < MAXPLAYER; i++) - if (players[i].p_team = me->p_team) + if (players[i].p_team == me->p_team) players[i].p_candock = 1; /* give team permission to dock */ } me->p_transwarp = PFGREEN|PFYELLOW|PFRED; From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Fri Oct 11 14:09:18 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:41 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv In-Reply-To: <200210110725.g9B7Pul31266@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021011190918.14369.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Haha it was weird on continuum last night. Whenever an SB joined most of the other active slots turned into iggies! LOL! Was this an accidental effect of the code change the other day or has James been nipping at the hard liquor? :) Attached is a snapshot for your enjoyment! Zach --- Vanilla CVS Development wrote: > Date: Friday October 11, 2002 @ 2:25 > Author: cameron > > Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv > In directory > swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31263 > > Modified Files: > enter.c > Log Message: > rotfl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: postdirect@zapo.net on Tue Oct 15 06:52:02 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: cindie7@naver.com on Tue Oct 15 16:39:30 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: null@hotelro.com on Tue Oct 15 20:58:04 2002 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 10 18:01:28 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:55 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010181032.37238.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021010063907.GE5811@us.netrek.org> <20021010181032.37238.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010230128.GF5811@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 11:10:32AM -0700, Zach wrote: > Ok. I'm curious what do you do merge a patch (i.e. the > output of diff I'll send you) into a source file? Isn't it > simpler for me just to send the entire new document? I don't think it would be wise for me to answer this until you complete at least one change to the document. When you send me the diff, then I'll tell you what I did with it ... you don't really need to know yet. Trust me. Just do it. In the time it takes you to have written that reply, read this reply, and written another one, you might have; - used CVS to update your local copy, 'cd Vanilla;cvs update README.developers' - used an editor to edit text into the file, 'vi README.developers' - used CVS to produce a diff, 'cvs diff -c README.developers > tmp' - sent it to me, 'mutt -a tmp quozl@us.netrek.org' Of course, we may change the process later if you start contributing in a big way. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 18:05:25 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] FAQ: Why are my posts showing up on the mailing list Message-ID: <20021001180525.B28473@real-time.com> Just a reminder, if you post from an address that is -not- subscribed to the list, mailman will hold that post for approval before sending it out. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Wed Oct 2 03:34:19 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] FAQ: Why are my posts showing up on the mailing list In-Reply-To: <20021001180525.B28473@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021002083419.49681.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I checked on the website you sent me earlier and it shows that I *am* subscribed from this address (vanillatrek@yahoo.com), yet mailman was still holding my posts for approval. Why? Zach --- Bob Tanner wrote: > Just a reminder, if you post from an address that is > -not- subscribed to the > list, mailman will hold that post for approval before > sending it out. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : > (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : > (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't > a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 > A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Wed Oct 2 03:34:26 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] FAQ: Why are my posts showing up on the mailing list In-Reply-To: <20021001180525.B28473@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021002083426.70029.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I checked on the website you sent me earlier and it shows that I *am* subscribed from this address (vanillatrek@yahoo.com), yet mailman was still holding my posts for approval. Why? Zach --- Bob Tanner wrote: > Just a reminder, if you post from an address that is > -not- subscribed to the > list, mailman will hold that post for approval before > sending it out. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : > (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : > (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't > a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 > A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 15:14:03 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020930035800.7689.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021007201404.60332.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Don't everyone answer all at once :) Anyone? Carlos? Dave? James? :) Zach --- Zach wrote: > In the context of getting started on my latest task: > > I can't seem to find very much documentation. Even > within most of the C source files there is scarce > comments, and often there is NO documentation/comments > at all. > > I recall Carlos or someone saying they had been > working on some documentation. If I could see even the > draft form it would help me get a handle on things. > > A global spec of what functions call what and what > each function does would be ideal. Or even just a > global picture of the flow structure (i.e. the primary > function is main() in dir/blah.c, associated with it > are the following subroutines x,y,z which handle doing > blah, blah, blah etc..) > > Even our directory structure (/ntserv, /robotd, > /tools, etc.) isn't documented. > > Having good documentation or at least *some* may ease > the burden for new developers wanting to get involved > in the project. > > So if anyone has *anything* they can send me it would > be appreciated. > > Zach > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Tue Oct 8 22:06:39 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] continuum stats screwed after move Message-ID: <20021009030639.GP5811@us.netrek.org> G'day, We've just moved the IP of continuum to a newer machine, different architecture. Old was sparc5, new is intel. We used 'scores A' on the old machine, followed by 'newscores < file' to load them back up. Ratings are wrong. Defense is over-stated, the others are near zero. Counts seem right. It is as if .global is stuffed. Any ideas as to cause? Here's the first line of 'file' ... 965443062 924298 27314440 12724932 13808294 12243551895.000000 They all look like they are in the range of the sscanf() and the data types in struct.h. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From xyzzy at speakeasy.org Tue Oct 8 23:03:49 2002 From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] continuum stats screwed after move In-Reply-To: <20021009030639.GP5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, James Cameron wrote: > > Ratings are wrong. Defense is over-stated, the others are near zero. > Counts seem right. It is as if .global is stuffed. > > Any ideas as to cause? What options did you compile newscores with? GENO_COUNT, LTD_STATS, CONVERT? What options was scores compiled with? What options is your server using? Have you tried comparing the actual numbers before and after the changes for the players? What does scores tell you for the .global file now? From unbelver at brain.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Oct 8 23:04:18 2002 From: unbelver at brain.jpl.nasa.gov (Carlos Y. Villalpando) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021007201404.60332.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com>; from vanillatrek@yahoo.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 01:14:03PM -0700 References: <20020930035800.7689.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> <20021007201404.60332.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021008210418.A9245@brain.jpl.nasa.gov> Quoting Zach : > Don't everyone answer all at once :) Sorry, have had health problems as well as school and work. Anybody know a good orthopedic for back surgery? Herniated disk, L4/L5. > Carlos? Dave? James? :) I seem to have misplaced my starter documentation I was working on. I'll keep looking for it. --Carlos V. From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 02:02:17 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020930035800.7689.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020930035800.7689.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021009070217.GQ5811@us.netrek.org> It is quite a simple code base. There is very little need for any documentation. There are only a few C source files, and tools to track the calling order are far more reliable than any external documentation. Tracing execution manually is quite straightforward, though people with short term memory problems may need to use pen and paper for some of it. What documentation there is is in CVS, and included in the .tar.gz file. There is no reason for people not to submit any documentation they have made. I've submitted quite a bit. I doubt there is much out there that isn't in CVS. We have already seen the dangers of documentation that is maintained separate from the source file (aka the trimscores issue), and so documentation within source is my preference. While improving documentation may well reduce the time that new developers take to get up to speed, I'd much rather have those developers work on client packaging and ease of use. We just don't need new server features right now. That doesn't mean I won't accept them, just that if I'm to get enthusiastic about something then it should be about things that will increase the player base. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 04:00:21 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] continuum stats screwed after move In-Reply-To: References: <20021009030639.GP5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021009090021.GS5811@us.netrek.org> Solved ... tools/newscores.c was dropping a digit from timeprod. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ -------------- next part -------------- Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.133 diff -u -r1.133 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 2002/08/15 04:48:16 1.133 +++ ChangeLog 2002/10/09 08:49:36 @@ -1,3 +1,8 @@ +Wed Oct 9 15:24:20 2002 James Cameron + + * tools/newscores.c: remove width limits on parsing the status + line. + Thu Aug 15 12:29:14 2002 James Cameron * ntserv/ntscmds.c (do_password): actually change the password. Index: tools/newscores.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/tools/newscores.c,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 newscores.c --- tools/newscores.c 1999/04/30 20:19:12 1.4 +++ tools/newscores.c 2002/10/09 08:49:54 @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ getpath(); printf("Warning: If you do not know how to use this program, break it now!\n"); status=(struct status *) malloc(sizeof(struct status)); - scanf("%10ld %10d %10d %10d %10d %10lf\n", + scanf("%ld %d %d %d %d %lf\n", &status->time, &status->planets, &status->armsbomb, From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 08:43:46 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:12 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021008210418.A9245@brain.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <20021009134346.70630.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Carlos Y. Villalpando" > Sorry, have had health problems as well as school and > work. Anybody > know a good orthopedic for back surgery? Herniated disk, > L4/L5. Ouch! I've had aggravating chronic back pain for the past 2-3 years, but have been unable to get it looked at properly so far. What are the symptoms of a herniated disk? Are there any non-surgical solutions? The UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center) Sports Medicine facility here in Pittsburgh has some of the best orthopedic surgeons in the US. > I seem to have misplaced my starter documentation I was > working on. > I'll keep looking for it. Ok thanks. Hope you get better. Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 08:51:46 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021009070217.GQ5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cameron wrote: > It is quite a simple code base. There is very little Simple for you :) > need for any > documentation. There are only a few C source files, and I counted well over 200,000 lines of code. That is a 'few'? :) > tools to > track the calling order are far more reliable than any > external > documentation. What are these tools? >Tracing execution manually is quite > straightforward, > though people with short term memory problems may need to > use pen and > paper for some of it. That would be me :) > We have already seen the dangers of documentation that is > maintained > separate from the source file (aka the trimscores issue), > and so > documentation within source is my preference. Ok. Many (most?) files don't even have a comment header at the top saying at the very least the purpose of the code in there and short documentation of the functions. Something such as: // FILE: intarray.h // WRITTEN BY: Michael Main(main@colorado.edu), Aug 26, 2000 // PROVIDES: A toolkit of four functions for manipulting integer arrays. // // FUNCTIONS in the intarry toolkit: // int index_of_minimum(const int array[], int size) // Precondition: size must be greater than zero. It is the number of // elements in array (so array goes from [0] to [size-1]. // Postcondition: The value returned is the index of the smallest entry // in array[0] through array[size-1]. If several entries have an equally // small value, then the index of the earliest entry is returned. > While improving documentation may well reduce the time > that new > developers take to get up to speed, I'd much rather have > those > developers work on client packaging and ease of use. We > just don't need > new server features right now. That doesn't mean I won't > accept them, > just that if I'm to get enthusiastic about something then > it should be > about things that will increase the player base. Ok. Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From jeffno at ccs.neu.edu Wed Oct 9 14:43:40 2002 From: jeffno at ccs.neu.edu (Jeffrey Nowakowski) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> from "Zach" at Oct 09, 2002 06:51:46 AM Message-ID: <20021009194341.38A6417343@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Zach wrote: > > I counted well over 200,000 lines of code. That is a 'few'? Zach, I agree, many hours of frustration could be saved if there was a general overview of how the code worked. Tracing through code and trying to keep the big picture in your head when you are new to a project sucks. I made a similar request for documentation 2 years ago. In this request, I also included some notes I had taken for myself when I started looking at the code. They aren't well organized, but they may be of some help: http://archives2.real-time.com/vanilla-list/2000/Mar/msg00144.html -Jeff From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 20:43:31 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021009070217.GQ5811@us.netrek.org> <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010014331.GZ5811@us.netrek.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:51:46AM -0700, Zach wrote: > I counted well over 200,000 lines of code. That is a 'few'? > :) I count 199 C files, 56 header files. 105,556 lines of code. Yes, that's small. > What are these tools? They abound. cxref lxr cgvg ctags etags See also README.developers which explains how to use etags and the emacs m-. key to jump to definitions of functions or variables. It isn't the job of *this* project to document the tools that are available, so README.developers is really outside the documentation scope. It is probably also out of date. > Ok. Many (most?) files don't even have a comment header at > the top saying at the very least the purpose of the code in > there and short documentation of the functions. Much of the recent code does have a description, as the standards for acceptance had changed. See gencmds.c for an example of a very brief header. See also genspkt.c, and getentry.c. ltd_stats.c is one of Dave's recent ones. Please suggest a comment header by issuing a patch to a relatively straightforward single source file, and we'll comment on it, and apply it to CVS. In short, show us the code. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 21:36:52 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021009194341.38A6417343@denali.ccs.neu.edu> References: <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20021009194341.38A6417343@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20021010023652.GB5811@us.netrek.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:43:40PM -0400, Jeffrey Nowakowski wrote: > http://archives2.real-time.com/vanilla-list/2000/Mar/msg00144.html Ah yes, I remember that one, now that I've had a look. Let's put that into CVS? Would you like to contribute it, Jeff? Once it is in, we can add our bits. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From mark at mark.mielke.cc Wed Oct 9 22:52:37 2002 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010014331.GZ5811@us.netrek.org> References: <20021009070217.GQ5811@us.netrek.org> <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20021010014331.GZ5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021010035237.GE8805@mark.mielke.cc> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 11:43:31AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:51:46AM -0700, Zach wrote: > > I counted well over 200,000 lines of code. That is a 'few'? :) > I count 199 C files, 56 header files. 105,556 lines of code. > Yes, that's small. Especially if you count 105,556 lines of C code being on the order of 20,000 lines of Perl code, or less. Unfortunately, it isn't being maintained by full time designers who are paid $100,000+/year to understand it... mark -- mark@mielke.cc/markm@ncf.ca/markm@nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Wed Oct 9 23:01:25 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010035237.GE8805@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20021009070217.GQ5811@us.netrek.org> <20021009135146.35455.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20021010014331.GZ5811@us.netrek.org> <20021010035237.GE8805@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20021010040125.GC5811@us.netrek.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:52:37PM -0400, Mark Mielke wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 11:43:31AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:51:46AM -0700, Zach wrote: > > > I counted well over 200,000 lines of code. That is a 'few'? :) > > I count 199 C files, 56 header files. 105,556 lines of code. > > Yes, that's small. > Especially if you count 105,556 lines of C code being on the order of > 20,000 lines of Perl code, or less. True. Unfortunately, I was inaccurate. The actual server (ntserv and include) is only 30,459 lines of C code. The rest of the stuff is robots, tools, and the generated code for the server GUI. Of the ntserv/*.c files, the largest ones are; $ wc --lines *.c|sort -rn|more 25667 total 4415 daemonII.c 3154 socket.c 2482 genspkt.c 1678 commands.c 1372 ntscmds.c 1320 ltd_stats.c 906 distress.c 867 main.c ... This project is looking smaller the longer I look at it. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From jeffno at ccs.neu.edu Wed Oct 9 22:58:43 2002 From: jeffno at ccs.neu.edu (Jeffrey Nowakowski) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010023652.GB5811@us.netrek.org> from "James Cameron" at Oct 10, 2002 12:36:52 PM Message-ID: <20021010035843.DB09A17311@denali.ccs.neu.edu> James Cameron wrote: > > Ah yes, I remember that one, now that I've had a look. Let's put that > into CVS? Would you like to contribute it, Jeff? Once it is in, we can > add our bits. I no longer contribute to the code, though I still lurk here. Feel free to do with it as you wish. Zach, it would be a good project for you to clean up and add to the notes as you gain understanding of the code. New people coming in are the best ones to write documentation. -Jeff From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 10 01:39:07 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010035843.DB09A17311@denali.ccs.neu.edu> References: <20021010023652.GB5811@us.netrek.org> <20021010035843.DB09A17311@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20021010063907.GE5811@us.netrek.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:58:43PM -0400, Jeffrey Nowakowski wrote: > I no longer contribute to the code, though I still lurk here. Feel > free to do with it as you wish. Thanks. Added to CVS in the file README.developers . > Zach, it would be a good project for you to clean up and add to the > notes as you gain understanding of the code. New people coming in are > the best ones to write documentation. I agree. Zach, use CVS to checkout the file, edit it, and then use 'cvs diff -c README.developers' to generate changes. Mail them to me, and I'll add them to CVS. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 13:07:27 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010040125.GC5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021010180727.22019.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Well I suppose it looks "small" to seasoned software developers, but for me when you say "only 30,419 lines" causes a consterned chuckle :) Zach --- James Cameron wrote: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 13:10:32 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010063907.GE5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021010181032.37238.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cameron wrote: > I agree. Zach, use CVS to checkout the file, edit it, > and then use > 'cvs diff -c README.developers' to generate changes. > Mail them to me, > and I'll add them to CVS. Ok. I'm curious what do you do merge a patch (i.e. the output of diff I'll send you) into a source file? Isn't it simpler for me just to send the entire new document? Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 13:05:23 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010035843.DB09A17311@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20021010180523.22241.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeffrey Nowakowski wrote: > Zach, it would be a good project for you to clean up and > add to the > notes as you gain understanding of the code. New people > coming in are > the best ones to write documentation. Hey Jeff, Thanks for that documentation link you posted. Ok. Let me get something together a send a draft here to the list to get some feedback. PS: Do you still play hockey? It's made quite a comeback. Stop by puck sometime for some pickup hockey :) PS: I've noticed hockey.psychosis.net is listed in metaserver, yet everytime I try to login it says "CANNOT CONNECT". Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From jeffno at ccs.neu.edu Fri Oct 11 03:48:04 2002 From: jeffno at ccs.neu.edu (Jeffrey Nowakowski) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021010180523.22241.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> from "Zach" at Oct 10, 2002 11:05:23 AM Message-ID: <20021011084804.CF05D1731A@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Zach wrote: > > PS: Do you still play hockey? It's made quite a comeback. > Stop by puck sometime for some pickup hockey :) I've quit playing netrek (bronco & hockey). > PS: I've noticed hockey.psychosis.net is listed in > metaserver, yet everytime I try to login it says "CANNOT > CONNECT". It's officially dead. I'm not sure how dead servers get removed from the meta-list. By hand? -Jeff From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Fri Oct 11 14:09:18 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:13 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: [Vanilla Devel] CVS update: Vanilla/ntserv In-Reply-To: <200210110725.g9B7Pul31266@swashbuckler.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021011190918.14369.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Haha it was weird on continuum last night. Whenever an SB joined most of the other active slots turned into iggies! LOL! Was this an accidental effect of the code change the other day or has James been nipping at the hard liquor? :) Attached is a snapshot for your enjoyment! Zach --- Vanilla CVS Development wrote: > Date: Friday October 11, 2002 @ 2:25 > Author: cameron > > Update of /home/netrek/cvsroot/Vanilla/ntserv > In directory > swashbuckler.real-time.com:/var/tmp/cvs-serv31263 > > Modified Files: > enter.c > Log Message: > rotfl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From ddamout1 at san.rr.com Sat Oct 12 20:30:33 2002 From: ddamout1 at san.rr.com (Daniel Damouth) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups References: <20021010023652.GB5811@us.netrek.org> <20021010035843.DB09A17311@denali.ccs.neu.edu> <20021010063907.GE5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <001201c27258$201571c0$cf804b42@Alienware> It looks like the observer update rate was intentionally lowered to 2? It would be nice if the reason for that was put in the MOTD. You can no longer meaningfully watch a game. Dan Damouth . From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Sun Oct 13 10:47:49 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups In-Reply-To: <001201c27258$201571c0$cf804b42@Alienware> Message-ID: <20021013154749.29473.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> I concur. Please switch the updates back to 10 or at *least* to 5. This server mod will do more to *turn off* new players and existing players. Zach --- Daniel Damouth wrote: > It looks like the observer update rate was intentionally > lowered to 2? It > would be nice if the reason for that was put in the MOTD. > > You can no longer meaningfully watch a game. > > Dan Damouth > . > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 13 20:01:37 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups In-Reply-To: <20021013154749.29473.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001201c27258$201571c0$cf804b42@Alienware> <20021013154749.29473.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021014010137.GU5811@us.netrek.org> I've not seen any new players observe. But it has been changed to 5, default of 2. If someone can come up with something more advanced, like moving to ten for one minute after a lock, I'd be willing to use it. The problem is we seem to have observers who log in and walk away. There's no idle timeout. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 13 21:49:17 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Documentation anyone? In-Reply-To: <20021011084804.CF05D1731A@denali.ccs.neu.edu> References: <20021010180523.22241.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> <20021011084804.CF05D1731A@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20021014024917.GV5811@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 04:48:04AM -0400, Jeffrey Nowakowski wrote: > It's officially dead. I'm not sure how dead servers get removed from > the meta-list. By hand? Yes. CVS update of the metarc file. Done. Thanks for letting us know. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Sun Oct 13 22:52:56 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups In-Reply-To: <20021014010137.GU5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021014035256.42729.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> How about using the clue-check code and modify it for this purpose. Set a reasonable idle time (say 15 mins) and after that ask something such as "Send 'FOO' to yourself to verify you are an active observer", if they don't answer perhaps wait 5 more minutes and say "This is your final chance to answer...etc." and if they don't pass the check at that point reset the slot. Also it can send a message to server god or some logfile showing who was idle. If they do it say 3 times in some period of time temporarily ban them. Zach --- James Cameron wrote: > I've not seen any new players observe. But it has been > changed to 5, > default of 2. If someone can come up with something more > advanced, > like moving to ten for one minute after a lock, I'd be > willing to use > it. The problem is we seem to have observers who log in > and walk away. > There's no idle timeout. > > -- > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 13 23:17:25 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups In-Reply-To: <20021014035256.42729.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021014010137.GU5811@us.netrek.org> <20021014035256.42729.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021014041725.GX5811@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 08:52:56PM -0700, Zach wrote: > How about using the clue-check code and modify it for this > purpose. Sounds okay, though a bit involved. Send me the patch. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From ddamout1 at san.rr.com Mon Oct 14 00:44:31 2002 From: ddamout1 at san.rr.com (Daniel Damouth) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups References: <20021014035256.42729.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c27344$c56f47d0$cf804b42@Alienware> Zach, The clue check idea is good, but you shouldn't clue check anyone who is sending messages. -Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach" To: Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups > How about using the clue-check code and modify it for this > purpose. Set a reasonable idle time (say 15 mins) and after > that ask something such as "Send 'FOO' to yourself to > verify you are an active observer", if they don't answer > perhaps wait 5 more minutes and say "This is your final > chance to answer...etc." and if they don't pass the check > at that point reset the slot. Also it can send a message to > server god or some logfile showing who was idle. If they do > it say 3 times in some period of time temporarily ban them. > > Zach > > --- James Cameron wrote: > > I've not seen any new players observe. But it has been > > changed to 5, > > default of 2. If someone can come up with something more > > advanced, > > like moving to ten for one minute after a lock, I'd be > > willing to use > > it. The problem is we seem to have observers who log in > > and walk away. > > There's no idle timeout. > > > > -- > > James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org > > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list@us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > From karthik at karthik.com Sun Oct 13 23:36:00 2002 From: karthik at karthik.com (Karthik Arumugham) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Observers are at 2 ups In-Reply-To: <20021014035256.42729.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Zach wrote: > How about using the clue-check code and modify it for this > purpose. Set a reasonable idle time (say 15 mins) and after This is excessively complicated and would make observing a pain. James' original idea of dropping ups if the obs is idle is simpler and makes much more sense. Since you're already suggesting writing the code to detect idleness, it's a simple matter to have things like sending a message or changing lock reset the idle counter. Why make people go through all the trouble of typing in responses when they can signify their nonidleness through far simpler means? Of course, if a server can't afford a few extra kilobits per second for observers to observe in peace, perhaps that server shouldn't be where it is. Dropping ups for observers is something that just shouldn't have to happen in this day and age (netrek is already so much less bandwidth-intensive than newer games as it is). From vanillatrek at yahoo.com Thu Oct 17 22:34:55 2002 From: vanillatrek at yahoo.com (Zach) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] wait queue abuse In-Reply-To: <20021014010137.GU5811@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20021018033455.81569.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> I would to like address an ongoing problem I've observed for the past few months. Players have an active slot, yet keep a slot open in the wait queue (sometimes even 2 or 3 slots!). This is extremely rude and shows gross disregard for others who are waiting to play. Just now I waited a good 20 minutes to get into Continuum. Once there I use 'queue hosts' command to see who is on queue and sure enough 'Sky Monkey' (R0) had an slot in wait queue: 23:25:45: R6->R6 queue hosts 23:25:45: GOD->R6 Approximate pickup queue size: 5 23:25:45: GOD->R6 Q0: ool-4350b075.dyn.optonline.net 23:25:45: GOD->R6 Q1: (aka R0 Sky Monkey) AC8C3095.ipt.aol.com I've noticed he is habitually abusing the wait queue in this way. I asked him on ALL why he has a wait queue slot and he said: "i may quit and not have to wait to come back" :( Can someone please make a code change so that if wait queue slot is same as active slow to reset both slots. Regards, Zach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From quozl at us.netrek.org Thu Oct 17 23:25:00 2002 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [Vanilla List] Re: wait queue abuse In-Reply-To: <20021018033455.81569.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021014010137.GU5811@us.netrek.org> <20021018033455.81569.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021018042500.GA1237@us.netrek.org> G'day Zach, I don't feel this is an abuse. It's a feature. a) for some people (like me) who share a network connection, multiple slots with the same IP address is normal, b) if a player is holding a wait queue slot, as well as a player slot, and then decides to leave, the wait queue slot will be released and the players in the queue after them will be moved forward, (I've often stepped forward two, three or four queue slots at once, while waiting), c) it is a method by which players can prepare for the next genocide, and be ready to start the next game. The players cannot hold a login slot for more than a minute, as they are timed out. If they reach the head of the queue while doing this, begin login, but then let it time out, that would be antisocial. The fix I applied for that was to reduce the login timer. I've spoken to Sky Monkey and he has agreed not to cause his client to sit in login ... I've no evidence that he does. While you waited to get into Continuum, I do hope you also logged in to another server, so that others on the queue could play there? Not doing so would be antisocial. On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 08:34:55PM -0700, Zach wrote: > Can someone please make a code change so that if wait queue > slot is same as active slot to reset both slots. Someone may indeed make this change, but I won't be planning to apply it on Continuum. Now, if there was a patch to drop new requests for a queue slot from the same IP if there are already 16 other slots with the same IP ... that I would think good to apply. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ From vanilla-metaserver-admin at archives.real-time.com Fri Oct 18 17:00:12 2002 From: vanilla-metaserver-admin at archives.real-time.com (vanilla-metaserver-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:53:14 2005 Subject: [META] 4 vanilla-metaserver admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <200210182200.g9IM0Cs12376@sprite.real-time.com> The vanilla-metaserver@lists.real-time.com mailing list has 4 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/vanilla-metaserver Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. 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