I've not seen any new players observe. But it has been changed to 5, default of 2. If someone can come up with something more advanced, like moving to ten for one minute after a lock, I'd be willing to use it. The problem is we seem to have observers who log in and walk away. There's no idle timeout. -- James Cameron mailto:quozl at us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/