From basic at us.netrek.org Sat Oct 23 17:49:54 2004 From: basic at us.netrek.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:04 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] cvs server access, hardware problems, security issues Message-ID: <200410231749.56895@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From basic at us.netrek.org Sat Oct 23 18:32:08 2004 From: basic at us.netrek.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:04 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution Message-ID: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From tanner at real-time.com Sat Oct 23 23:15:51 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:04 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200410232315.53839@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From quozl at us.netrek.org Sun Oct 24 20:38:42 2004 From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:04 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <200410232315.53839@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <200410232315.53839@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041025013842.GA7310@us.netrek.org> I'm happy to keep CVS or to change to arch. I see no good reason to keep CVS. I see many good reasons to change to arch. So what do I do to begin using arch in parallel with CVS for a while, to get the feel of it? I've installed the Debian packages "tla tla-doc tla-tools". I've looked for an Emacs interface. I've found xtla in the arch wiki with a Debian package on the xtla download site, though I can't offhand figure out the sources.list entry that would work -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From ahn at orion.netrek.org Mon Oct 25 10:34:40 2004 From: ahn at orion.netrek.org (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:04 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <20041025013842.GA7310@us.netrek.org> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <200410232315.53839@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041025013842.GA7310@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20041025153440.GA21306@orion.netrek.org> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:38:42AM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > I'm happy to keep CVS or to change to arch. I see no good reason to > keep CVS. I see many good reasons to change to arch. > > So what do I do to begin using arch in parallel with CVS for a while, to > get the feel of it? I don't have any issues with dropping CVS. However, I haven't heard much about arch...not surprising given that the project seems relatively new (according to Savannah project summary -- the GNU arch home page seems to be down; not a good sign). I haven't looked at BK's license, but I do recall subversion having an Apache style license. I'd be more enthusiastic about using subversion than arch, personally. Dave _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 27 11:27:53 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <20041025153440.GA21306@orion.netrek.org> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041025013842.GA7310@us.netrek.org> <20041025153440.GA21306@orion.netrek.org> Message-ID: <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Monday 25 October 2004 10:34 am, Dave Ahn wrote: > I don't have any issues with dropping CVS. However, I haven't heard > much about arch...not surprising given that the project seems relatively > new (according to Savannah project summary -- the GNU arch home page > seems to be down; not a good sign). I haven't looked at BK's license, > but I do recall subversion having an Apache style license. I'd be more > enthusiastic about using subversion than arch, personally. All of gnu.org was down for awhile, not sure what was going on. But the arch wiki was still accessible: http://wiki.gnuarch.org/ For your reading pleasure(?) Discussion of Arch and Subversion http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/scm.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From cj at accom.com Wed Oct 27 12:18:59 2004 From: cj at accom.com (Colin Jensen) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041025153440.GA21306@orion.netrek.org> <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200410271018.59474.cj@accom.com> Okay, since I've been using Subversion for 18 months, I should chime in. Subversion is great - Works great on Windows, Mac, and *ix - Easy for CVS users to understand. - Can migrate CVS repository and keep all history Subversion plans on enhancements for stuff like distributed development with private repositories (and pretty much all the other complaints listed in dwheeler's essay). But it does not have it now. Since distributed development seems to be one of the Big Deals Bob is looking for, we need to use something other than Subversion. - cj _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From ahn at orion.netrek.org Wed Oct 27 13:12:50 2004 From: ahn at orion.netrek.org (Dave Ahn) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041025013842.GA7310@us.netrek.org> <20041025153440.GA21306@orion.netrek.org> <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041027181250.GA5988@orion.netrek.org> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:27:53AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > All of gnu.org was down for awhile, not sure what was going on. But the arch > wiki was still accessible: > > http://wiki.gnuarch.org/ > > For your reading pleasure(?) > > Discussion of Arch and Subversion > http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/scm.html Thanks. Actually, I now vaguely remember reading about Arch a while back. Anyway, the proposal to move away from CVS was due mainly to security and maintenance issues and not any real dissatisfaction with CVS's functionality. While Arch appears to have some nice features superior to SV, the ability to import (and preserve) a CVS repository into SV is a big plus. Plus, the main benefit of Arch (decentralized repo) isn't that useful to us anyway considering that we have a very small development group. I would still prefer SV over Arch, but I don't feel that strongly about it, so whatever you want to do is fine with me. Dave _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 27 14:13:40 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution (non-arch users) In-Reply-To: <200410271018.59474.cj@accom.com> References: <200410231832.11770@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <200410271127.53523@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <200410271018.59474.cj@accom.com> Message-ID: <200410271413.40552@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 12:18 pm, Colin Jensen wrote: > Subversion plans on enhancements for stuff like distributed development > with private repositories (and pretty much all the other complaints listed > in dwheeler's essay). But it does not have it now. Since distributed > development seems to be one of the Big Deals Bob is looking for, we need to > use something other than Subversion. My primary concern is security, pgp-signed repositories (archives) and pgp-signed changesets (commits). The distributed nature of arch isn't really an issue, since I think we will still do a central development model regardless of the revision control tool used. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 27 14:10:18 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] cvs server access, hardware problems, security issues In-Reply-To: <200410231749.56895@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200410231749.56895@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200410271410.23807@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel From msucka0xff at programmer.net Sat Oct 30 21:19:24 2004 From: msucka0xff at programmer.net (. .) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:51:05 2005 Subject: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution(non-arch users) Message-ID: <20041031021924.81695101C9@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Folks, Please add me to the repo access list. My concerns are that I want to develop and put some updates for Java, Cygwin Server. My web client initiatives will also include Macromedia flash clients, and 3D gl4java stuff. I was also thinking bout a mod_netrek extension for apache so folks could play via HTTP to avoid the firewall issues. These may introduce different file extension types. Although I haven't had time recently, I wanted to do use some 3d rendering tools like 3dsmax to help us put together cool 3d netrek clients. Anyway you havent seen anything from me 'xcept vapor ware, but I have been super busy of late, and unless I croak first, I will still be thinking about hobby improving netreks client side for the web. -bd ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner To: zSubject: Re: [Vanilla Devel] My complaints regarding cvs and proposed solution(non-arch users) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:13:40 -0500 > > On Wednesday 27 October 2004 12:18 pm, Colin Jensen wrote: > > Subversion plans on enhancements for stuff like distributed development > > with private repositories (and pretty much all the other complaints listed > > in dwheeler's essay). But it does not have it now. Since distributed > > development seems to be one of the Big Deals Bob is looking for, we need to > > use something other than Subversion. > > My primary concern is security, pgp-signed repositories (archives) and > pgp-signed changesets (commits). The distributed nature of arch isn't really > an issue, since I think we will still do a central development model > regardless of the revision control tool used. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel@us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel