From netrek at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 16:51:13 2010
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:51:13 -0400
Subject: [netrek-dev] Sturgeon III source code
Message-ID: <AANLkTikeH+7L9VO1p1Qs4Q2mzM1jwVz1L8qtWQecLkW3@mail.gmail.com>

Donald shared this with me in 2007. Hopefully some of these changes
can be merged into the existing sturgeon mode in the Vanilla server
tree.

http://www.oggthebase.org/files/sturgeon3.tar.gz

"Here are the (fairly incomplete, but probably intriguing) sources for
Sturgeon III, which I worked on sometime around '95.  They feature
system damage, weapon arcs, different weapons for each race, and some
other *really* funky changes." -- Courtesy of "Donald Tsang"
<tsang at csua.berkeley.edu>

Regards,
Zach

<>< http://www.fidei.org ><>


From quozl at us.netrek.org  Tue Nov  2 17:52:56 2010
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:52:56 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Sturgeon III source code
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikeH+7L9VO1p1Qs4Q2mzM1jwVz1L8qtWQecLkW3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeH+7L9VO1p1Qs4Q2mzM1jwVz1L8qtWQecLkW3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101102225256.GG7772@us.netrek.org>

No, I won't take this on just like that.  While it might be nice to
merge every feature, there has to be someone who wants it, and is
prepared to test it on a server.

Introduce each change as a patch to netrek-server-vanilla, and I'll be
happy to review and merge.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/


From netrek at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 17:22:35 2010
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:22:35 -0400
Subject: [netrek-dev] Need help
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone with 32-bit version of Windows please follow these
instructions and make a 32-bit build and when you're done email me the
installer. Thanks. http://gytha.oggthebase.org/

Zach

<>< http://www.fidei.org ><>


From jrd at gerdesas.com  Thu Nov  4 17:50:46 2010
From: jrd at gerdesas.com (John R. Dennison)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:50:46 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 06:22:35PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> Can someone with 32-bit version of Windows please follow these
> instructions and make a 32-bit build and when you're done email me the
> installer. Thanks. http://gytha.oggthebase.org/

	And why, pray tell, can't you install a virtualization solution
	such as vmware, vbox or similar and do this yourself?



							John

-- 
A nuclear war does not defend a country and it does not defend a system.
I've put it the same way many times; not even the most accomplished
ideologue will be able to tell the difference between the ashes of
capitalism and the ashes of communism.

-- John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - 2006), Canadian-American economist and
author, The Ashes of Capitalism and the Ashes of Communism, interview
with John M.  Whiteley in Quest for Peace: an Introduction (1986)
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From netrek at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 17:55:10 2010
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:55:10 -0400
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwNV+Tb6Rh9Uq=P=x+TZ7Lupt7abmXgoG7KT0z@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM, John R. Dennison <jrd at gerdesas.com> wrote:
>
> ? ? ? ?And why, pray tell, can't you install a virtualization solution
> ? ? ? ?such as vmware, vbox or similar and do this yourself?

Because I do not own a 32-bit version of Windows OS.

Zach


From jrd at gerdesas.com  Thu Nov  4 17:58:50 2010
From: jrd at gerdesas.com (John R. Dennison)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:58:50 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwNV+Tb6Rh9Uq=P=x+TZ7Lupt7abmXgoG7KT0z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<AANLkTimwNV+Tb6Rh9Uq=P=x+TZ7Lupt7abmXgoG7KT0z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101104225850.GV21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 06:55:10PM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM, John R. Dennison <jrd at gerdesas.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? ? ? ?And why, pray tell, can't you install a virtualization solution
> > ? ? ? ?such as vmware, vbox or similar and do this yourself?
> 
> Because I do not own a 32-bit version of Windows OS.

	Perhaps it's time you bought one if you want to support
	something on that platform.




							John

-- 
zu22: i have evolved beyond temporal concerns, i engage in spiritual
zu22: warfare and hyperdimensional travel now
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From netrek at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 17:59:32 2010
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:59:32 -0400
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <20101104225850.GV21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, John R. Dennison <jrd at gerdesas.com> wrote:
> ? ? ? ?Perhaps it's time you bought one if you want to support
> ? ? ? ?something on that platform.

I'll see how much it costs.

Zach


From jrd at gerdesas.com  Fri Nov  5 03:12:45 2010
From: jrd at gerdesas.com (John R. Dennison)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 03:12:45 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <642014.76532.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<AANLkTimwNV+Tb6Rh9Uq=P=x+TZ7Lupt7abmXgoG7KT0z@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225850.GV21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<642014.76532.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101105081244.GX21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 04:19:57PM -0700, Andrew Szczeszynski wrote:
> You can install 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS, and you can build 32-bit 
> software on a 64-bit OS - just follow the 32-bit instructions.

	And for real testing it helps greatly to test 32bit packages on
	native 32bit platforms, thus ruling out any odd 32bit vs 64bit
	compatibility issues.




							John

-- 
Technology makes it possible for people to gain control over everything,
except over technology.

-- John Tudor
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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Fri Nov  5 17:53:14 2010
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 09:53:14 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <20101105081244.GX21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<AANLkTimwNV+Tb6Rh9Uq=P=x+TZ7Lupt7abmXgoG7KT0z@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225850.GV21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<642014.76532.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20101105081244.GX21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
Message-ID: <20101105225314.GD4311@us.netrek.org>

And thanks for any testing you do on gytha, and I welcome feedback.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/gytha/


From exelrud at task.com.br  Sat Nov  6 18:44:46 2010
From: exelrud at task.com.br (Jacques Exelrud)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 21:44:46 -0200
Subject: [netrek-dev] Need help
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028201cb7e0c$9a6b4620$6840a8c0@Brontossauro>

Still in need of this build ?
Jacques
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Uram" <netrek at gmail.com>
To: "Netrek Development Mailing List" <netrek-dev at us.netrek.org>
Cc: <netrek-forever at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:22 PM
Subject: [netrek-dev] Need help


> Can someone with 32-bit version of Windows please follow these
> instructions and make a 32-bit build and when you're done email me the
> installer. Thanks. http://gytha.oggthebase.org/
> 
> Zach
> 
> <>< http://www.fidei.org ><>
> 
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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Sat Nov  6 19:09:01 2010
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:09:01 +1100
Subject: [netrek-dev] Need help
In-Reply-To: <028201cb7e0c$9a6b4620$6840a8c0@Brontossauro>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<028201cb7e0c$9a6b4620$6840a8c0@Brontossauro>
Message-ID: <20101107000901.GG6195@us.netrek.org>

On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 09:44:46PM -0200, Jacques Exelrud wrote:
> Still in need of this build ?

I am.  Zach has made one for 32-bit since that post, but I'd like to
have the instructions he wrote cross-checked.  Not as urgent as before
now that one is available.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/


From jrd at gerdesas.com  Sat Nov 13 20:27:01 2010
From: jrd at gerdesas.com (John R. Dennison)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:27:01 -0600
Subject: [netrek-dev] [netrek-forever] Need help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJBc--0Mz_Tc_Fz2sgLBcNERpbY8s3NG+-NsgF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_XMvGdL9s9e_f7_LCdafCNj12+tn==nqn1qcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101104225045.GU21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
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	<20101104225850.GV21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<642014.76532.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20101105081244.GX21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>
	<20101105225314.GD4311@us.netrek.org>
	<AANLkTinJBc--0Mz_Tc_Fz2sgLBcNERpbY8s3NG+-NsgF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101114022701.GH21647@frodo.gerdesas.com>

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:21:40PM -0800, hi bye wrote:
> I like pie.

	That's nice.  I'm very happy for you.

	Trolling is not tolerated on the list; spam'd trolling is even
	less welcome.  

	This poster has been reset to moderated.





							John

-- 
If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known.

-- George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959), American military leader and statesman,
creator of the Marshall Plan, the only US Army general to receive the Nobel
Peace Prize, Biennial Report of the Chief of Staff, US Army, 1 September 1945
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From basic at netrek.org  Thu Nov 18 18:20:15 2010
From: basic at netrek.org (Bob Tanner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:20:15 -0600
Subject: [netrek-dev] The Mac App Store will open soon. Submit your apps
	today.
References: <67136088.39741215.1290125670069.JavaMail.cboxp@ednabay.apple.com>
Message-ID: <201BE823-E63B-4DE5-AC94-2088AC9F2622@netrek.org>

Opportunity to get Netrek client for OSX into the Mac App store?


> 
> 
> 
> 	
> The Mac App Store will be open soon, providing customers around the world a new way to explore and purchase apps made just for Mac. Ensure your app is ready when we open the Mac App Store ? submit it for review today.
> Log in to the Mac Dev Center for details on setting up an iTunes Connect account, creating Apple-issued Mac Distribution Certificates, and preparing your apps for the review process.
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From chris.lukassen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 13:37:38 2010
From: chris.lukassen at gmail.com (Chris Lukassen)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:37:38 +0100
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6
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Yeah thought about that but there is still a performance hog in the
trunk that I need to fix

Sent from my iPhone

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From netrek at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 14:17:24 2010
From: netrek at gmail.com (Zachary Uram)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:17:24 -0500
Subject: [netrek-dev] netrek-dev Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <4363996875179430519@unknownmsgid>
References: <mailman.1.1290189602.23081.netrek-dev@us.netrek.org>
	<4363996875179430519@unknownmsgid>
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Chris Lukassen
<chris.lukassen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah thought about that but there is still a performance hog in the
> trunk that I need to fix

Ok let us know what happens :)

Zach