On 8/24/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Rado S</b> <<a href="mailto:email@example.com">firstname.lastname@example.org</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Isn't the view from an outsider perspective more useful than an<br>insider who's already integrated into the system and therefore<br>prejudiced about his favourite game?</blockquote><div><br>No, not in general. Rado, I think you ought to contribute before calling for changes. This is a meritocracy, not a cheerocracy. People in Open Source projects don't want feedback from people who have no stake. This is not to flame you, it's just how things work.
<br><br>Contribute on the Paradise side. Get more developers involved. Organize games. Get some momentum going. Then, if there are issues involved with Paradise in regards to Bronco (such as getting Paradise servers added to the metaserver, merging the codebase, etc), try to get them resolved one at a time. As far as I can tell your main contributions are in regards to the attempted Paradise resurrection - stay with that, work on that, and stop harassing the Bronco/Sturgeon guys about stuff that has nothing to do with your efforts.
<br><br>I respect you, but to be honest your frequent and voluminous responses aren't helping anyone, and are only serving to alienate others from yourself. Whether or not your ideas and concerns have merit is of no concern to anyone here, as you haven't earned any credibility in the community. To clarify, in a meritocracy people respect those that add more than just talk. Given that you've only been talking and haven't really added much to the general effort, people are disinclined to listen to anything you have to say, and they're certainly going to ignore you or react with hostility whenever you call out for drastic changes.
<br><br>Stop with your arguing, everyone is done with these droll, circuitous, and tedious discussions. In fact, what I keep seeing is person after person responding to the effect of "I'm not going to talk to you any more". That's sad that you've let it get to this, but to be honest you have no one to blame but yourself. I can understand that it can be difficult at times to get the older members of a community to answer questions that they deem tedious, but you have to look at it from their perspective too - they don't know you, they don't play with you, and they aren't getting any help from you. You have to come to them, you can't expect them to come to you.
<br><br>Personally I'd like to have more productive discussions. You've given your opinion (many, many times). They've said theirs. They don't agree with you, you're not happy with that. Deal with it and move on. Personally I'm at the point where I'm sick and tired of listening to these dumb debates go on and on. I no longer read them (well, I read this one) as there's no point to it.
<br><br>I'd like to have further discussions with you Rado, but keep in mind that I am busy with many other things in my life and if you keep arguing incessantly on these mailing lists I'll be forced to not interact with you. You may enjoy the drama, but I certainly don't, and if it continues I'll ignore everything you say. Please don't make it so that I have to do that.
<br><br>Jeffrey.</div><br></div>-- <br><br>"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine