<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Thank you! This bug is now resolved thanks to your help and Bill Balcerski’s bug report!</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">It looks like the explosion gets animated in the EXPLODE state. Then there is a pause in the DEAD state allowing torpedoes to run out. But then I needed to migrate the user to the OUTFIT state to get back to the “select ship/quit” screen. I chose 1 second for each of those two states.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">I think most of the “client blinking” in the x86 client (that Bill reported) is resolved. But I’m seeing a huge quantity of “stuff blinking” on the COW client running in a Parallels VM on my Mac.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not sure whether the “stuff blinking” is an artifact of the Parallels VM or a real problem. In the x86 client case, I was sending unnecessary updates to the client, resulting in continuous redraws.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If someone could pop up a COW client on a native Linux box, point it at <a href="http://netrek.networkmom.net" class="">netrek.networkmom.net</a>, and report if they see planets/ships on the screen blinking too much, I’d appreciate it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Darrell</div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:19 PM, James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" class="">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Looking at Gytha's __init__.py which contains a paste of the protocol</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">definition;</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">SP_PSTATUS, indicates PDEAD state</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">client animates explosion</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">SP_PSTATUS, indicates POUTFIT state</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">clients returns to team selection window</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Looking at Gytha's PhaseFlight class, the event loop exits on POUTFIT</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">"# no longer flying".</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Looking at Gytha's nt_play_a_slot "keep playing on a server, until</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">user chooses a quit option, or a list option to return to the server</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">list", play continues until POUTFIT.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:55:03PM -0700, Darrell Root wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Netrek-dev,<br class=""><br class="">My Swift Netrek server has a compatibility problem with COW and Windows<br class="">clients.<br class=""><br class="">When a person dies, the clients do not pop up the “choose team” screen. So<br class="">people have to disconnect to respawn.<br class="">The clients also do not show the “you were killed by [WEAPON] from [PLAYER]<br class="">message when connected to my server.<br class=""><br class="">What message/flag sent from the server triggers that window / message?<br class=""><br class="">I was assuming it was the whydead and whodead fields in the SP_YOU, but so far<br class="">I haven’t been able to get it working.<br class=""><br class="">Here’s a sequence of SP_YOU messages from [1]<a href="http://pickled.netrek.org/" class="">pickled.netrek.org</a>. These can be<br class="">assumed to be correct. I’ve put the death and respan in BOLD<br class=""><br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">64 shieldStrength 100 fuel 10000 engineTemp 0 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 0 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 10000 engineTemp 0 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9980 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9960 engineTemp 10 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9940 engineTemp 15 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9924 engineTemp 19 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9908 engineTemp 23 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9892 engineTemp 27 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9876 engineTemp 31 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9860 engineTemp 35 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9848 engineTemp 38 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33562624 damage<br class="">103 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9836 engineTemp 41 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2049 damage<br class="">0 shieldStrength 100 fuel 10000 engineTemp 0 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead 6"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 1 hostile 13 war 0 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 33556481 damage<br class="">0 shieldStrength 100 fuel 10000 engineTemp 0 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead 6”<br class=""><br class="">Here’s a sequence of SP_YOU messages from [2]<a href="http://netrek.networkmom.net/" class="">netrek.networkmom.net</a>.<br class=""><br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">78 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 0 whodead 0"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">118 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">0"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">118 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">0"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">118 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">0”<br class=""><br class="">…large number of identical messages deleted…<br class=""><br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">118 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">0"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage<br class="">118 shieldStrength 100 fuel 9460 engineTemp 5 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 2 whodead<br class="">0"<br class="">"Received SP_YOU 12 16 hostile 14 war 14 armies 0 tractor 0 flags 2048 damage 0<br class="">shieldStrength 100 fuel 10000 engineTemp 0 weaponsTemp 0 whyDead 0 whodead 0”<br class=""><br class="">(Looks like I need to fix whodead, but 0 is valid so I don’t think that’s the<br class="">cause).<br class=""><br class="">Could it be PFREFIT?<br class=""><br class="">For reference, here’s the p_flags fields. While my current implementation is<br class="">missing red/yellow/green, I don’t see anything relevant.<br class=""><br class="">/* bit masks of p_flags */<br class="">#define PFSHIELD 0x0001 /*!< shields are up */<br class="">#define PFREPAIR 0x0002 /*!< repairing damage or shields */<br class="">#define PFBOMB 0x0004 /*!< bombing planet while orbiting */<br class="">#define PFORBIT 0x0008 /*!< orbiting planet p_planet */<br class="">#define PFCLOAK 0x0010<br class="">#define PFWEP 0x0020<br class="">#define PFENG 0x0040<br class="">#define PFROBOT 0x0080<br class="">#define PFBEAMUP 0x0100<br class="">#define PFBEAMDOWN 0x0200<br class="">#define PFSELFDEST 0x0400<br class="">#define PFGREEN 0x0800<br class="">#define PFYELLOW 0x1000<br class="">#define PFRED 0x2000<br class="">#define PFPLOCK 0x4000 /* Locked on a player */<br class="">#define PFPLLOCK 0x8000 /* Locked on a planet */<br class="">#define PFCOPILOT 0x10000 /* Allow copilots */<br class="">#define PFWAR 0x20000 /* computer reprogramming for war */<br class="">#define PFPRACTR 0x40000 /* practice type robot (no kills) */<br class="">#define PFDOCK 0x80000 /*!< docked to a base, p_dock_with valid */<br class="">#define PFREFIT 0x100000 /* true if about to refit */<br class="">#define PFREFITTING 0x200000 /* true if currently refitting */<br class="">#define PFTRACT 0x400000 /* tractor beam activated */<br class="">#define PFPRESS 0x800000 /* pressor beam activated */<br class="">#define PFDOCKOK 0x1000000 /* docking permission */<br class="">#define PFSEEN 0x2000000 /* seen by enemy on galactic map? */<br class="">/*#define PFCYBORG 0x4000000 a cyborg? 7/27/91 TC */<br class="">#define PFOBSERV 0x8000000 /* for observers */<br class="">#define PFTWARP 0x40000000 /* isae -- SB transwarp */<br class=""><br class="">References:<br class=""><br class="">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://pickled.netrek.org/" class="">http://pickled.netrek.org/</a><br class="">[2]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://netrek.networkmom.net/" class="">http://netrek.networkmom.net/</a><br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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