There's only one thing that bots do that humans really can't, and I believe
I took that code out of my bot because I considered it cheating (also, I
couldn't decide if it's a good idea to use it)  They can det their own torps
individually.  Regular humans have to detonate all or none.

Other than that, I really don't consider anything else a bot does as

Always knowing an opponent's speed?  Please... what bot author in their
right mind would use the speed information from the server?  It's far better
to calculate the person's speed so that you can figure out if he's being
tractored or pressored.  Also, you are immune from server gods who decide
they want to mess with bots by removing the speed info.  Finally, a good
player doesn't need to see the person's speed to know what it is.  After a
few thousand hours of playing, you can quickly determine from eyesight what
speed the guy is going.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Holub" <doosh at>
To: <vanilla-list at>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vanilla List] organized, intelligent 'bots

> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Mark Mielke wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 07:18:03AM -0800, Daniel Damouth wrote:
> > > From: "Jeffrey Nowakowski" <jeffno at>
> > > > You can't use "borgish" as a criteria of what to put/not put into a
> > > > robot team.  By it's very nature the robot is "borgish".  As long as
> > > > the robot isn't getting any special help from the server it isn't
> > > > cheating.
> > > If a robot is doing things that are illegal for a human to do, such as
> > > communicating through sockets with other clients, it is cheating.
> >
> > You do realize that what you are suggesting, is that if a person opens
> > an IRC window to speak to his other team mates (IRC uses TCP/IP), that
> > this team is now "cheating" under your definition of the term.
> You're an idiot.
> > At least Tom doesn't think it's cheating. He just thinks it won't work,
> > or that it isn't worth the effort. :-)
> There are a lot of things robots do that really are cheating.  For
> they always know the speed of other ships on their tactical, and they
> have the equivalent of "show cloakers on tactical".  It's not really
> possible to hold them to human standards; they process information
> differently.
>  -Tom
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