http://www.advogato.org/article/357.html It looks like VA is on the rocks and the above url questions if SF will be around much longer. I have not been as active in netrek as I use to, times are tough and I'm having to work billiable hours instead of playing netrek all day :-) As always, resources here at Real Time are available to the netrek community if the decision to leave SF is necessary. As an aside, Nate another tech here has gotten SF running//working on a debian box based on some project that is happening in the debian world, so we could do a mini(?) SF on orion? -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9