=- James Cameron wrote on Wed 18.Jul'07 at 19:57:21 +1000 -=

> > - How has the organisation changed to establish an authority to
> > define netrek and control approved clients?
> Four of us agreed to begin to set policy.
> { ... }
> I don't have the exact date, is it important?
> { ... }
> > - Where/ what/ who is the authority that has appeared since then?
> Carlos, Dave, Karthik and myself, in private communication.

=- James Cameron wrote on Sat 21.Jul'07 at 10:21:47 +1000 -=

> On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 10:28:59PM +0200, Rado S wrote:
> > Need not be exact to the minute, but day, week, month, yes,
> > because if it was made public by one of you at some point in
> > _any_ way, I'd like to track down _how_ I missed that.
> You weren't watching, apparently. It was mentioned in #netrek.
> Keep reading those logs.

"It was mentioned...", have _you_ said this? To me, when I asked you
and I responded to it?
Or is somebody speaking for you? Or the council?

Given the noise that happens on #netrek and that I haven't been
always present physically or technically, you'd have to tell me the
exact date or week at least.

> > If it wasn't made public, why not?
> Well, firstly, I can't speak for the council, so I can't announce
> the existence of the council, it would have to be a motion of the
> council to do so.

But when it comes to matters belonging to the council's area of
concern you're fast (and often the only one) to respond.
You're very public, you'd be a good representative for netrek or the

Then please suggest some way to make the council more public in its
functionality. How to interact with the council when it's secret and
no speaker in their name known?
What benefit has a _secret_ council when public requests need public

> Secondly, even if I did want to bypass that process, the last
> thing I'd want to do is tell *you*.

So... you haven't told me before?!
Nothing has changed, a secret council doesn't serve the public
community with regard to direction and noise control.

> Now that I've seen how you respond, this confirms my hesitation.

Respond to what, how?
What was bad about my reactions given your responses?

> You'd have to ask the council these questions. They aren't
> interesting enough for me to bring them to council.

You are aware that you listed yourself as member of the council?
Even though I acknowledge that you don't speak for the whole
council, you can speak for yourself; when asked as member it's your
turn to answer anyway: are you for or against a public speaker and
message process to declare the council's purpose and publish
decision progress?

The others can answer for themselves when asked; no worries, I can
distinguish that.

© Rado S. -- You must provide YOUR effort for your goal!
EVERY effort counts: at least to show your attitude.
You're responsible for ALL you do: you get what you give.