=- Jeffrey Watts wrote on Mon 31.Mar'08 at 21:43:40 -0500 -= > Well, we're kind of talking about two things here. The two voices > that have spoken up are both those of people who were offering > code. Rado is not, he's proposing organization and that "others" > do "things". I originally didn't want to answer to this publicly at all, but I can't hear this "no code" non-sense anymore, brought up by different people. a) all this started because I _did_ offer code for the meta-servers; which started because I've done even more code to P-server before that to notice meta-server problems in the first place. b) it all went wrong because the receiving side didn't like the form while practicing the same form before. ->double standards. c) the receiving side consisting of a single person, so little chance for working it out with somebody else _caring enough_. d) people demand code submissions before taking me serious, but even if I proved that I had already contributed code before I spoke up even the first time, it wouldn't change _ANYTHING_ about what I said about non-code issues thereafter. Why would any of my code influence anyhow the code-unrelated message itself or the attitude of the recipients? I don't originally ask from others to do things, but rather to relax and _let things go_ for others to _pick up_. For example, John (like I) would do something, but is denied by James' preference for perfectionism, which naturally limits the number of participants. If James relaxed, we could have 2 more people "in". Coding? No. Action? Yes. Which then indirectly can lead to coding from those same actors, too, once they're involved enough. > However, we're really not talking about the kind of situation you > went through. We're talking about someone with a pathological need > to get the last word and argue. Right, because some other guys pathologically can't stop talking wrong. You know it takes 2 for an endless back and forth. Whatever I try to bring up not dealing with literal code, it will all be turned down with some freaky _unrelated_ code conditions. Not because I would be wrong, but because they don't like the personal consequences. It's about time to look beyond prejudices and begin to think further than just the own nose. -- © Rado S. -- You must provide YOUR effort for your goal! EVERY effort counts: at least to show your attitude. You're responsible for ALL you do: you get what you give.