On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Mark Mielke wrote: > We're getting somewhere. You admit that reading messages is hard. Everything in netrek is hard. > The important question, though, is whether reading messages is truly a fun > part of the game, and whether the learning curve is justified as an > investment. The team aspect of netrek is what makes it great. It's the best team game ever made. The communication is a big part of the team aspect of netrek and as such the netrek communication system with macros will always be unsurpassed in efficiency simply because sending macros will always be faster than talking and reading macros will always be faster than listening to someone talk. > It's easily observable that Netrek is dying. Sure. It has been for the past ten years. I don't think that has anything to do with this discussion though. I keep saying it's a good idea to add a voice channel so that people can chat, teach newbies, etc. However, a voice channel will not do much for game play. That doesn't matter much though. I entered this thread just to point out that it's not a good idea to think that voice will revolutionize netrek game play, or something like that. > I suspect that even experts would be more efficient using voice I keep telling you this is false. I keep giving you reasons why this is false (macros are faster, clues can read messages from the corner of their eye, RCD's let clues decide what information they receive, etc). Yet you keep banging your head into that wall. I guess I'll have to accept that you will never learn. >>> My experience is that experienced players already do voice chat - >>> whether via VoIP or whether sitting in the same room swearing at each >>> other for screwing up over a monitor in the same room. >> >> Please give examples of clued players that use voice chat on a regular >> basis today. > > I would be hard pressed to give you a list of clued players that exist > today that play on a regular basis. I think you are missing the point. Okay. Give a list of experienced players who have played with voice communication in the past and think that form of communication is superior to RCD's. -- Niclas