Ok, I'm taking a little offense here... Are you building your bot from scratch, or are you using somebody else's code as a starting point? The reason I ask is that I haven't seen that many bots that "just plain suck" I've seen many bots (mine included) that play quite well and have given INL teams a struggle. It's just that there are many complexities to the game and it's difficult to code all of the strategy in that is necessary to beat an INL team. I'd be very curious to see how well your bots do if you are starting from scratch. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Mielke" <mark at mark.mielke.cc> To: <vanilla-list at us.netrek.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vanilla List] organized, intelligent 'bots > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:08:40PM -0500, Brian Paulsen wrote: > > I'm willing to keep a bot hanging around on a server that others can compete > > against. Does anybody have a good server that would accept bots? > > I'm going to have a business Internet connection installed in my home > in 2 days. If everything works well, I'll run it myself. > > Of course, if the 'bots just plain suck, like most of the other 'bots > that have existed, this won't be an issue. If they don't suck, people > can pound of them whenever they want. :-) > > mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darryl Palmer Jr" <Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org> > > To: <vanilla-list at us.netrek.org> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:08 PM > > Subject: RE: [Vanilla List] organized, intelligent 'bots > > > > > > > I guess the question come back to what our are individual goals. One of > > > my goals was to create a totally autonomous netrek team that could beat > > > the best the INL could muster, but it wasn't the most important one. The > > > most important goal I had was to setup a league and the infrastructure to > > > allow other people to write their own bots and compete with them. We are > > > not the first ones that thought of creating bots for netreks, and other > > > people have made bots before. But then how many of these bots are > > > currently maintained, and did the creation of these bots lead to more > > > people playing netrek or even more people creating bots? > > > > > > I don't want this endeavor to reach a dead-end like most of the previous > > > work. If we create a robotic netrek league, we can push having different > > > classifications of bots and allowing team plus individual entry. Because > > > we would have a league, it wouldn't matter that much if people drop out > > > later on, and by making it more public we might be able to sucker the > > > public in general to participate in our competitions. Who knows, someone > > > could probably sucker their local IEEE, ACM, AAAI, or AUVS to sponser > > > something like that. > > > > > > How many years are we planning on participating in this endeavor? And > > > will we still participate if we beat an INL team, or on the other hand, > > > never even getting close to beating a chaos team? > > > > > > > > > Darryl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > I also intend to have the bot teams run simulations for several > > > hundred hours between themselves before daring to introduce them to the > > > INL. :-) > > > > > > > Also, you then don't have to worry about people using global variables. > > > > Cleaning up the code is going to be a major project and really isn't > > > worth > > > > it. > > > > > > Most of the code is actually quite simple. I plan to have the basic > > > functions complete in only a few hours of work. It won't be today, but > > > we'll see about Wednesday. > > > > > > I will make every attempt to ensure that the results of the effort can > > > be re-used by others. > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vanilla-list mailing list > > vanilla-list at us.netrek.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list > > -- > mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ > . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder > |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | > | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them... > > http://mark.mielke.cc/ > > _______________________________________________ > vanilla-list mailing list > vanilla-list at us.netrek.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-list >