I'm using a 512k fibre (symmetrical bandwidth) but theres other traffic on the line. I have the server behind a linux firewall running iptables and QoS using IMQ, HTB, sfq/esfq Basically I can set guaranteed bw for the server, and it will share anything extra if it needs it. Before I had QoS in there was server -> client loss, I guess observers contribute to that in addition to the players. I do have the port open to the metaserver, I guess I've missed something along the way in NAT or something. I suppose I can try to benchmark myself. Dave _______________________________________________ vanilla-devel mailing list vanilla-devel at us.netrek.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/vanilla-devel