On 8/24/07, Rado S <regrado at web.de> wrote:
> Isn't the view from an outsider perspective more useful than an
> insider who's already integrated into the system and therefore
> prejudiced about his favourite game?

No, not in general.  Rado, I think you ought to contribute before calling
for changes.  This is a meritocracy, not a cheerocracy.  People in Open
Source projects don't want feedback from people who have no stake.  This is
not to flame you, it's just how things work.

Contribute on the Paradise side.  Get more developers involved.  Organize
games.  Get some momentum going.  Then, if there are issues involved with
Paradise in regards to Bronco (such as getting Paradise servers added to the
metaserver, merging the codebase, etc), try to get them resolved one at a
time.  As far as I can tell your main contributions are in regards to the
attempted Paradise resurrection - stay with that, work on that, and stop
harassing the Bronco/Sturgeon guys about stuff that has nothing to do with
your efforts.

I respect you, but to be honest your frequent and voluminous responses
aren't helping anyone, and are only serving to alienate others from
yourself.  Whether or not your ideas and concerns have merit is of no
concern to anyone here, as you haven't earned any credibility in the
community.  To clarify, in a meritocracy people respect those that add more
than just talk.  Given that you've only been talking and haven't really
added much to the general effort, people are disinclined to listen to
anything you have to say, and they're certainly going to ignore you or react
with hostility whenever you call out for drastic changes.

Stop with your arguing, everyone is done with these droll, circuitous, and
tedious discussions.  In fact, what I keep seeing is person after person
responding to the effect of "I'm not going to talk to you any more".  That's
sad that you've let it get to this, but to be honest you have no one to
blame but yourself.  I can understand that it can be difficult at times to
get the older members of a community to answer questions that they deem
tedious, but you have to look at it from their perspective too - they don't
know you, they don't play with you, and they aren't getting any help from
you.  You have to come to them, you can't expect them to come to you.

Personally I'd like to have more productive discussions.  You've given your
opinion (many, many times).  They've said theirs.  They don't agree with
you, you're not happy with that.  Deal with it and move on.  Personally I'm
at the point where I'm sick and tired of listening to these dumb debates go
on and on.  I no longer read them (well, I read this one) as there's no
point to it.

I'd like to have further discussions with you Rado, but keep in mind that I
am busy with many other things in my life and if you keep arguing
incessantly on these mailing lists I'll be forced to not interact with you.
You may enjoy the drama, but I certainly don't, and if it continues I'll
ignore everything you say.  Please don't make it so that I have to do that.



"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine
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